the debt ceiling needs to be raised this summer. and nobody really can tell me how that is going to happen. here at the white house the expectation is that republicans will simply cave on this. like they caved earlier in the year giving a temporary increase. republicans say there is no way that can happen. even if john boehner wanted to cave on this, he couldn't pass an extension of the debt ceiling on its own in the house without something else. so really, charlie, when we get to this, the question is, you know, does that become the final opportunity to have something that looks a little bit like the grand bargain. or at least as carney at one point called it, the pe at this time bargain. but some kind of an agreement that does do something on entitlements an something on taxes. >> rose: does the president get some credit and also some achievements from all the meetings he is having with republicans and with senators? >> i think he does. and maybe the biggest indication of that is they aren't really talking much about it. you know,